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 AHSQU1RR3L (original poster new member #84571) posted at 7:56 PM on Monday, March 18th, 2024

Here’s the deal; I’ve been with my wife 20+ years, married 14. I am 41, she is 38. On March 2nd, roughly 2 weeks ago, I learned she had slept with her male friend sometime back in October ‘23. Until now my wife has adamantly declared her loyalty and lack of respect for "cheaters". She says it was a mistake, just the one time, she has cried about it and wishes she could take it back (the usual things) and has, since confrontation/confession, cut off the guy completely. Here’s where I would like some input.

Initially I said our relationship was over, no other option or chance. After a sleepless night where I cried, raged, and contemplated all my life choices; I realized one major point. I still loved her deeply and maintain that to this day. Now I have seen here and other places where it is recommended to take time, months even, before deciding on reconciliation or divorce. I can almost certainly say, to wait that long would for sure end our relationship. The "separation" time before we decided would create too many questions and issues by itself. So, because of that but mostly because I just want my wife back, we are trying to reconcile.

Reconciliation so far:

To start I have to say we have felt closer now than we’ve been in many years. I have become much more attentive and appreciative of her and she has shown me more affection than I used to see for months at a time. I’m sure part of it is the shock of what we’re dealing with and the reaction to make up for betrayal and failure. But after some long and hard conversations we both agree that we want to remain together and still love each other. Also recognizing there is a LOT of emotional repair to be done.

My question(s) I guess is/are this; what is your overall opinion of how it’s being handled? What are some red flags to look out for? Any tips or resources (besides this site, such as apps or books) you would recommend? What else can I expect? And how do I balance having zero trust while trying to repair/encourage a healthy relationship?

Thank you in advance for input/advice. I’m sorry you’re here too and I hope your healing journey is going well. I still have more dark days than not but I’ll survive.

EDIT/QUESTIONS:
Her answer to “why?” -I was already questioning the closeness of their relationship. When I really pushed it, she cited my own “past history” and claimed I must have something going on which I was projecting to her (I didn’t). She demanded access to all my accounts (no problem) and found an old online conversation I’d had with another guy. It was a very explicit conversation regarding things my wife and I had done and things I’d still like to do with her. She said she felt betrayed I would reveal such intimate details about her regardless of how “anonymous” I thought it was. Add to that (my opinion) she felt I was neglecting her (our thoughts differ on this) and a “suspicious trip” I made to a bar. She said she was mad and suspicious and implied she acted out.

Do I know it was a 1x thing? No. The only reason I kind of believe it is this; the whistle blower was the gf of AP (hang on) who is married (to someone else, open relationship) and who he told when it happened. She said their relationship is open like that and she believed him when he told her it was only the once. Basically, stories match and this other person has no reason to lie about it. Doesn’t make it true I know, just that she believes it.

Timeline? No. I have asked my wife for a date of D-day and as yet haven’t had a response. I don’t want or need any more than that. I’ve made it clear that at any time, if I find out more than what’s been confessed, it will be the end for us. Basically come clean now or risk skeletons ruining a good thing later.

[This message edited by AHSQU1RR3L at 10:12 PM, Monday, March 18th]

41 M
38 WW
Seeking R

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Justsomeguy ( member #65583) posted at 9:30 PM on Monday, March 18th, 2024

Hey OP. Sorry your here. You left out some key details which will help people with advice. How did you find out? Did she come completely clean? Hint: they almost never do at first. Has she explained why she cheated? Did they plan it? How long has it been going on? Another hint: they almost always minimize hoping to do damage control.

Not a lot of time has passed since Dday, so I would put R on the back burner for now. Mentioning that you want to stay with your WW has put her in a no lose situation. Take time to process this trauma. Right now, you are still in shock and are reacting to tons of sensory input. It t barf akes time to figure things out.

As for your WW, you mention a lot about what you are doing and nothing about what she is doing to heal the M and get to her whys.

I really hate the lame ass excuses like, I wish I could turn back time or I wish I could undo this. The reality is, if you turned back the clock, she would be in the same place and make the same decision. That is why the whys are so important. She needs to get to the root of why she gave herself permission to cheat.

Keep posting and read everything you can on this site. Good luck.

I'm an oulier in my positions.

Me:57 STBXWW:55 DD#1: false confession of EA Dec. 2016. False R for a year.DD#2: confessed to year long PA Dec. 2 2017 (was about to be outed)Called it off and filed. Denied having an affair in court papers.

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annb ( member #22386) posted at 9:31 PM on Monday, March 18th, 2024

On my way out, but briefly,

Has she written a timeline of the affair? How can you be sure she is telling the truth? Cheaters lie. All of them.

A great book for her would be How to Help your Spouse Heal from an Affair and Not Just Friends (for both of you).

In my honest opinion, you are offering the gift of reconciliation way too soon. It's only been two weeks, and even though you are sure that's the path you want to take, she should be proving to you every day with actions that this will never happen again. Not familiar with your story, but just by what you've written, are you certain you are not rug sweeping her betrayal?

What's her excuse for sleeping with her "friend?" Understand the affair had to be going on for some time, at least the emotional part of it, giving attention, flirting, conversations. How can you be sure it was just the one time?

Are both of you in individual counseling?

I don't want to discourage you, but generally after D-Day you are in shock, and in a bit you will be faced with the reality of what she did, just be prepared.

You don't have to be separated to take months to figure out if this is the correct path for you, but you do need to understand the enormity of her betrayal.

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 10:14 PM on Monday, March 18th, 2024

So, just a couple of thoughts but I don’t think there is only one path to reconciliation. A lot of people decide very early to try.

I don’t think most people see other steps when they first find out they have been cheated on.

One, I think of the early period after discovery as a recovery period. this period is usually fraught with shock and denial. But I think you can expect to be up and down moving forward.

Two, your wife should be in therapy. At the very least she needs to figure out the deeper reasons that led to this so they can be addressed. She can’t blame you or the marriage, and she needs to look at and learn about her boundaries. The fact she was even in this situation spells boundary issues.

I think many people know early they don’t want a divorce but I think being this accepting and her not experiencing any fall out from her actions is likely not in your best interest or good for the marriage.

I am interested to see the answers to the questions you have already been asked. You can know you want to try and work on the marriage but use caution and don’t rugsweep.

7 years of hard work - WS and BS - Reconciled

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annb ( member #22386) posted at 11:09 PM on Monday, March 18th, 2024

AH, I think you will be better supported if you answered the questions by posting a separate response at the bottom of this thread where it says "post reply to this topic"

[This message edited by annb at 11:10 PM, Monday, March 18th]

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Trdd ( member #65989) posted at 11:41 PM on Monday, March 18th, 2024

The books recommended above by Annb are recommended.

It's ok to decide to try R quickly but that early decision could lead to rugsweeping. Red flags? Her blaming you for her A is a big red flag and it sounds like that is what she is doing. She needs to be reading those books mentioned and getting an infidelity specialist counselor to help her sort through why she chose to betray you. If not, she isn't 'safe for the marriage'.

How did she meet the guy, how did it advance to ea, kissing, sex etc is all important to disclose in her timeline. She needs to take accountability for all those choices and reflect on them. Do you have access to all her accounts and devices? Have you checked the phone records, credit card bills, gps records etc? What about friends that encouraged the A?

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 1:45 AM on Tuesday, March 19th, 2024

What work did you do,to become a safe partner, after your affairs?

Both of you have a lot of work to do, to heal the damage you've Both caused each other, and yourselves.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 3:22 PM on Tuesday, March 19th, 2024

She says it was a mistake

Whenever they say "it was a mistake" respond with "it revealed your character".

Was your affair a mistake?

Is it possible for people to change their character? To grow?

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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